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Quiet Quitting? How to resign properly
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:00.320) Now clearly dressed like this Pharaoh, I am not one for all of these new trends. (Time stamp: 00:15:04.560) But there has been a real explosion in front of us in the last week or so, a couple of weeks I suppose, hashtag quiet quitting. So thanks for joining us Farah, what is it all about?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:08.279) Thank you for having me here Mark, and I couldn't be more excited to talk about it because, you know, there's actually not a single definition for it. (Time stamp: 00:15:11.579) I'm probably as confused as a lot of the people out there in the market. So I guess for some, it could mean that you are not going above and beyond in your current role or you are doing the bare minimum because you're about to see yourself on the way out and don't want to tell your manager at the moment. (Time stamp: 00:15:19.019) Or it could also mean that you're not taking on the additional work that you would have in the past in order to get yourself that promotion. Now there are good and bad things about this, but it's all up to the people and the public of what they think this could mean for their future.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:21.779) Right, okay. And I think it all started, didn't it, from a TikTok? (Time stamp: 00:15:25.440) I don't look, see, and now I'm going to sound like I'm some old man wearing a tie going, you know what's TikTok. But it wasn't a millennial, I can't remember his name, Jacob, you've got a link to that. I think if you wanted to pop that into the comments there, people can look at it. But have you seen it, Farah, and what was it all about?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:29.220) Yeah, I did see it, and there were a few videos out there at the moment. But the original video came out about four years ago, and it was in regards to a teacher who was talking about the changes in the world pre-COVID. So I can imagine after having the residual impact of COVID-19 and the great resignation, employees had to feel like they had to take empower themselves in making the right decision. And then these trends just came out of nowhere one after the other with a lot of people in the market.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:36.120) Yeah, wow. So if I was an employer and I'm seeing all this talk about quiet quitting, what advice would you have for say a hiring manager thinking, well, you know, I wonder if anybody's quiet quitting in my team?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:41.220) Yeah, absolutely. I think more than ever with work-from-home arrangements and not being able to see everyone as often, it is harder to notice the traits that someone is showing or where you would see them in person. So open up the conversation, have more one-to-one catch-ups at an informal setting as well. You want to be, I guess, vulnerable to your employees as well to show them that they can tell you where they're at, what they are thinking. Do they need some kind of balance that they need something more to be able to perform at their best? Because the last thing you want in a candidate's market is you haven't done the best as you could do, and somebody has disengaged.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:56.100) Yeah. So there's some, I know that it's almost like this idea of quiet quitting. It does fit. It's like a new label to the idea about, well, should I resign or not? Do you have any tips or anything that you'd like to share for maybe somebody who's in a job and thinking, well, maybe I'm actually involved in quiet quitting, or maybe they should resign?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:16:05.580) Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, before submitting your resignation, make sure that you're 100% committed to your new role and make it clear that, you know, if you are interested in a counteroffer, you do talk about it to begin with. (Time stamp: 00:16:15.420) The other thing you want to do when you're looking to resign, if you have decided to resign, is resign with a particular person and schedule that meeting in advance. Because again, if you haven't had those conversations to begin with, you won't know. And if you've got any hesitation at all, talk to your manager about it because surely that conversation could either make you 100% sure that the move is right for you or it's not, and you'll have that clarity that you need.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:16:28.680) Yeah, that's really good advice. The one thing I would just add to that, which is just reinforcing what you're already saying, is that quitting without talking to your employer about all of the reasons why you're going to quit before you quit, you really should. If it's about money, ask for some money, and if it's about working hours or the fact that you're not working from home or whatever it happens to be, don't quit. I would say loudly hiring, you know, go in there and have a chat to your employer and say, "Can you meet my needs?" And if they can't, well then maybe you can go and enter the market and look at other options, for sure.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:17:04.620) Well, thanks, Farah. Oh, by the way, we've got some links, I think, Jacob, to some blog posts that we have had in the past about resignation tips. I think there are two or three of them there. There's one with the 15 tips from Greg Savage and another one from Catherine Kennedy. So check out those blog posts. They're in the links there now. But, Farah, thank you very much for trying to explain quiet quitting to us. I'm not sure I still know what it's all about, but I'm sure it'll be, maybe we can get you back in a few weeks' time. We'll explore it a little bit more. But thank you again. Thank you.
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:08.279) Thank you for having me here Mark, and I couldn't be more excited to talk about it because, you know, there's actually not a single definition for it. (Time stamp: 00:15:11.579) I'm probably as confused as a lot of the people out there in the market. So I guess for some, it could mean that you are not going above and beyond in your current role or you are doing the bare minimum because you're about to see yourself on the way out and don't want to tell your manager at the moment. (Time stamp: 00:15:19.019) Or it could also mean that you're not taking on the additional work that you would have in the past in order to get yourself that promotion. Now there are good and bad things about this, but it's all up to the people and the public of what they think this could mean for their future.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:21.779) Right, okay. And I think it all started, didn't it, from a TikTok? (Time stamp: 00:15:25.440) I don't look, see, and now I'm going to sound like I'm some old man wearing a tie going, you know what's TikTok. But it wasn't a millennial, I can't remember his name, Jacob, you've got a link to that. I think if you wanted to pop that into the comments there, people can look at it. But have you seen it, Farah, and what was it all about?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:29.220) Yeah, I did see it, and there were a few videos out there at the moment. But the original video came out about four years ago, and it was in regards to a teacher who was talking about the changes in the world pre-COVID. So I can imagine after having the residual impact of COVID-19 and the great resignation, employees had to feel like they had to take empower themselves in making the right decision. And then these trends just came out of nowhere one after the other with a lot of people in the market.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:36.120) Yeah, wow. So if I was an employer and I'm seeing all this talk about quiet quitting, what advice would you have for say a hiring manager thinking, well, you know, I wonder if anybody's quiet quitting in my team?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:15:41.220) Yeah, absolutely. I think more than ever with work-from-home arrangements and not being able to see everyone as often, it is harder to notice the traits that someone is showing or where you would see them in person. So open up the conversation, have more one-to-one catch-ups at an informal setting as well. You want to be, I guess, vulnerable to your employees as well to show them that they can tell you where they're at, what they are thinking. Do they need some kind of balance that they need something more to be able to perform at their best? Because the last thing you want in a candidate's market is you haven't done the best as you could do, and somebody has disengaged.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:15:56.100) Yeah. So there's some, I know that it's almost like this idea of quiet quitting. It does fit. It's like a new label to the idea about, well, should I resign or not? Do you have any tips or anything that you'd like to share for maybe somebody who's in a job and thinking, well, maybe I'm actually involved in quiet quitting, or maybe they should resign?
Guest (Farah): (Time stamp: 00:16:05.580) Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, before submitting your resignation, make sure that you're 100% committed to your new role and make it clear that, you know, if you are interested in a counteroffer, you do talk about it to begin with. (Time stamp: 00:16:15.420) The other thing you want to do when you're looking to resign, if you have decided to resign, is resign with a particular person and schedule that meeting in advance. Because again, if you haven't had those conversations to begin with, you won't know. And if you've got any hesitation at all, talk to your manager about it because surely that conversation could either make you 100% sure that the move is right for you or it's not, and you'll have that clarity that you need.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:16:28.680) Yeah, that's really good advice. The one thing I would just add to that, which is just reinforcing what you're already saying, is that quitting without talking to your employer about all of the reasons why you're going to quit before you quit, you really should. If it's about money, ask for some money, and if it's about working hours or the fact that you're not working from home or whatever it happens to be, don't quit. I would say loudly hiring, you know, go in there and have a chat to your employer and say, "Can you meet my needs?" And if they can't, well then maybe you can go and enter the market and look at other options, for sure.
Host (Mark): (Time stamp: 00:17:04.620) Well, thanks, Farah. Oh, by the way, we've got some links, I think, Jacob, to some blog posts that we have had in the past about resignation tips. I think there are two or three of them there. There's one with the 15 tips from Greg Savage and another one from Catherine Kennedy. So check out those blog posts. They're in the links there now. But, Farah, thank you very much for trying to explain quiet quitting to us. I'm not sure I still know what it's all about, but I'm sure it'll be, maybe we can get you back in a few weeks' time. We'll explore it a little bit more. But thank you again. Thank you.
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Featuring Farah Sheriff
Season One
Join Mark Smith and the people2people team for our weekly live Employment and Market Update. This week, we are joined by Farah Sheriff to discuss the emerging trend of quiet quitting, and how you can resign from your job appropriately. We will also take a look at 3 hot jobs across Australia in Fill Jobs Friday.
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Since joining people2people in early 2021, Farah’s focus has been on matching the best Supply Chain and Operations talent with the right opportunity and expanding her networking circle.Understanding and having experience in the supply chain and operations industry through her career has given Farah the advantage to really identify the right qualities needed for every role.
With 10 years of experience in the Customer Service, Retail and Supply Chain industries, Farah decided to take her passion for individual and business growth and development and apply it to the people2people way in recruitment.
With 10 years of experience in the Customer Service, Retail and Supply Chain industries, Farah decided to take her passion for individual and business growth and development and apply it to the people2people way in recruitment.
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